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  Watchtower Motion to Dismiss - DENIED

  by jst2laws in

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  barbara anderson and joseph anderson vs watchtower society.

  as you may remember the watchtower has petitioned the circuit court of manchester tennessee to dismiss the case against them filed by barbara and joe anderson.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/22/59953/1.ashx

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  So that whole spiel about ecclesiastical judgments is pretty much from other court decisions. The judge may not be familiar yet with the leading decisions on point for each side's position. It seems that the Anderson's lawyer is trying a new avenue, and relying on whistle blower protections to analogize the damages, and the bad faith conduct, rather than the traditional tort causes of action. It is an interesting theory, one that I can't imagine would have survived summary judgment even three years ago, prior to the Catholic Church problems with child molestation cover ups. The courts may be looking for ways to bring more protection to the powerless who are systematically victimized under the "protections of a church." I hope to see some regular updates. I am fascinated by this new approach. I bet someone pissed his pants when he read the summons and complaint claiming whistle-blower protection violations. Hadn't thought of that one, those boys in Bethel, had they? Shoshana
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  Holiday decorations on the Kingdom Hall

  by NaruNaruChan in

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  you know... last year i chickened out... but i'm thinkin there's these two trees in front of my old hall... and they look just like xmas trees... god, wouldn't it be funny if...?

  if we had a mass movement and bunch of apostates went to as many kh in their cities and threw some decorations up?

  i wonder if the dubs would think it's the end of the world!

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  Now if an "insider" could just swap out the CDs and as the meeting is starting, instead of "let's watch how we walk" out plays, "walking in a winter wonderland...." How long would it take to notice...How many times could it be pulled off? What would their new procedures look like to prevent such satanic hijinks in the future?...Shoshana
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  Is Charity Utterly Incomprehensible to Them? (Dec. 1, Wt)

  by metatron in

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  once upon a time, monty python had a sketch in which john clease portrayed.

  a businessman approached for a contribution to feed starving orphans.

  he appeared.

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  I keep a list (by the door) of the incredible charitable works accomplished locally by religious groups. When THEY come to my door, I ask what they do locally as far as charitable works, some actually lie and make up this or that (abused women's shelter, when offering awake on spousal abuse and I challenged them on their physical and material help, not just the lip service). I then start listing some of the things those "bad guys from Babylon the Great" are doing. Then I calmly tell them that they would be creating far more good will if they just used the time they went knocking on doors of people who aren't ome, and taking hteir coffee breaks, they would just volunteer those hours to people REALLY in need of just the basics.***** This year for the High Holy days, the LDS church across the street from my temple GAVE us their space, free of charge, so we could all meet together. On Yom Kippur, everyone brought bags of groceries for the food bank (who sent trucks) to represent the food we weren't eating because of fasting. People tended to bring a week's worth, not just a day's. And also some were whipping out their checkbooks. When there used to be food at assemblies instead of donating the leftovers to a local shelter, they would sell it in bulk to people leaving the last day. Good Samaritan-not. Shoshana
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  Wrongfully Disfellowshipped?

  by YoursChelbie in

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  of all the ex-jehovah's witnesses who are posters on this forum, i think we could be divided into two major groups: those who over the years "drifted away" and were never df and those who were df.

  out of those who were subjected to a judicial meeting and subsequently were disfellowshipped, how many feel that the decision was undeserved by the jwitnesses own criteria for disfellowshipping and was completely mishandled?

  did you consider suing the wt society for defamation of character?

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  Defamation: For there to a cause of action for defamation, it generally has to be a false statement (written is libel, oral is slander) publicized that tends to bring ridicule, obliquy, disparages in the profession, states as fact that the person committed a crime or would tend to cause a person to be avoided socially (stop being invited over for dinner), etc. BUT it has to be false. They only way one could sue for defamation if it were announced that an individual had been disfellowshipped when she actually had not. Just because people may assume what a person MIGHT have done to be disfellowshipped (even if it weren't the cause), this is not grounds for a defamation claim. Even if a congregation announced that someone was DF'ed in error, it is unlikely that they would avoid correcting the misstatement at the soonest possible moment. If it's the truth, then it isn't defamation (might be invasion of privacy, but that's a whole different set of standards, and hardly that either...) Shoshana
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  What scams did you use for counting your time?

  by Ivor Hope in

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  flowerpetals post and thread reminded me of some of the scams we would use to try to show the maximum numbers of hours spent in "service" for the smallest amount of effort.

  here's some of the ones i remember...just wondered if any of you had any other memories.. .

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  One of my mom's girlfriends who pioneered started her time when she woke up, by reading daily text with her daughter. Then she ate breakfast, showered, did her hair and make up AND THEN drove for 25 minutes to the Kingdom Hall for the service meeting, effectively having two and a half hours before even setting foot in the hall. Then, at the end of the day's sales, she would return home, read the text with her son after getting dinner together, effectively tacking on at least another 90 minutes. She bragged to my mom about this once, mistakenly in my presence. My mom, not a pioneer was actually envious that she only had a five minute drive to the hall. My mom tried to use me to start her Saturday morning time at 6 AM with me, once. I think I was about 12. I told her I would not cooperate with her cheating. When I said that, it clicked with my mom exactly what her girlfriend was doing. My mother wasn't so impressed, or jealous, of her pioneer girlfriend anymore. Shoshana
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  Getting to Know You.....

  by closer2fine in

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  just for fun!

  cut & paste the questions & answer underneath!.

  1.what time do you wake up in the morning on weekdays?.

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  1.WHAT TIME DO YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING ON WEEKDAYS? 7 AM, I let myself sleep in. 2. IF YOU COULD EAT LUNCH WITH ONE FAMOUS PERSON, WHO WOULD IT BE? Bill Clinton 3. GOLD OR SILVER? Silver 4. WHAT WAS THE LAST MOVIE YOU SAW? Schindler's List-just this weekend. First holocaust movie I ever watched through. 5. FAVORITE TV SHOW? Right now it's West Wing 6. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR BREAKFAST MOST OFTEN? Coffee or Tea 7. WHAT WOULD YOU HATE TO BE LEFT IN A ROOM WITH? A lit cigarette 8. CAN YOU TOUCH YOUR NOSE WITH YOUR TONGUE? No 9. WHAT INSPIRES YOU? Oneness of the universe 10. WHAT'S YOUR MIDDLE NAME? It's too identifying 11. BEACH, CITY OR COUNTRY? Beach 12. SUMMER OR WINTER? Summer 13. FAVORITE ICE CREAM? Chocolate, or Mint Chip. My life would be complete if the two just merged 14. BUTTERED, PLAIN, OR SALTED POPCORN? Buttered, with salt 15. FAVORITE COLOR? Green 16. YOUR FAVORITE CAR? Still the VW Karmann Ghia 17. FAVORITE SANDWICH FILLING? Peanut Butter 18. WHAT CHARACTERISTICS DO YOU DESPISE? Power Groping, cruelty, phoniness w/motive 19. FAVORITE FLOWER? Pink carnations 20. IF YOU HAD A BIG WIN IN THE LOTTERY, HOW LONG WOULD YOU WAIT TO TELEPHONE PEOPLE? At least a week, while I cleared out my classroom of any personal mementos I couldn't live without, and anything confidential and changed all my numbers 21. FIZZY OR STILL WATER AS A DRINK? Fizzy 22. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR BATHROOM? Which one? One is pink, the other is blue... 23. HOW MANY KEYS ON YOUR KEY RING? Two, one for my car, the other to the Public Defender's office 24. WHERE WOULD YOU GO TO IF YOU HAD TO GO ON VACATION? The Mediterranean 25. CAN YOU JUGGLE? IF YES HOW MANY? Yes, one 26. YOUR FAVORITE DAY OF THE WEEK? Shabbot 27. RED OR WHITE WINE? Red 28. FAVORITE BEER Stout 29. WHAT DID YOU DO FOR YOUR LAST BIRTHDAY? Ate Crab, Turkey with everything, chocolate cake, opened presents, enjoyed the company of a true and loyal friend 30. DO YOU CARRY A DONOR CARD? Yes, got my sticker even before I DAed Shoshana
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  apartment life

  by MrMoe in

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  the chick upstairs is loud.

  she came home and when she walked by my door she banged on it as loud as she could, waking up me and emma.. it is 1:15 in the morning.

  called the cops i am sick of her crap.

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  Be careful what you wish for. I cast a "little move out spell" on the family who lived in the condo next to mine. Theirs was a small two bedroom (under 700 square feet), but the number living there tended to hover around nine people (no joking). Well within two months they moved, but the woman who moved in with her teenaged son was a horrid, evil woman. She had the mouth of rap artist, and was emotionally and physically abusive of her son. Since her son attended the school where I taught (but was not one of my students), I was a "mandated reporter." Which meant I HAD to contact child protective services every time something happened, or risk heavy fines, losing my teaching license, and losing my job!!! I lived with this for about a year. It was what finally prompted me to arrange my finances so I could get into a single family structure. Love the privacy, hate the maintenance....Shoshana
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  What does your name mean?

  by Insomniac in

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  ok, i'm sure this topic has been covered before, but i'm new here, so indulge me.

  what do everyone's screen names mean?

  some are pretty self-explanatory, but a few have me intrigued.

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  La Capra

  I chose La Capra for the goat, in Italian. I was always very "goatlike" and got a lot of guff (not gruff) for it growing up. It was my goatiness that set me free. I also am a capricorn, and while I tend not to believe that stuff, I am told I am a classic capricorn (goatlike, I guess). Off to go chew up some bed sheets or something. Shoshana (which is Susanna in Hebrew)
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  Ok minimus move over already now I got a question!!

  by Soledad in

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  if anyone here can help me at all with this it would be so much appreciated.

  it almost a matter of life and death now, really.

  ready?

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  PND is the worst, it's what keeps me coughing and with scratchy throat long after a cold has subsided. What they say about snorting warm salt water through the nose is gross but it works. I've found that it doesn't even have to be salt water, I have been known to snort the water up through my nose in the shower, if only to avoid a drippy, salty, snotty mess in the bathroom sink. Alternatively, I pour a couple of shots of brandy in a cup of boiling water, honey and lemon. After I drink that, I don't care if I have a little PND.... I've never tried a commercial rinse. Didn't know they were even out there. I'm going to try that next time I get plagued with PND. Hope you feel better soon. Shoshana
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  Watchtower--#0531 With United Ways!

  by Voyager in

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  click on the link below, and when the first page comes up, click on (site map).. when the next page appears, scroll down to (workplace help) and look in the 2nd green area, and click on (designated restricted agencies).. when the 3rd page appears, look just above the ladies heads, and click again on (designated restricted agencies).. when the 4th page appears, scroll down the organizations names that start with the letter (w).. go here first: http://www.unitedwaysb.org/ .

  watchtower--#0531. voyager.

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  I could be wrong about this, but for some reason the following rationalization for this method of collecting donations could be any combination of the following: 1) "closed shop" unions that require everyone to join, or donate the dues to a non-profit via United Way (that is actually the ONLY allowed alternative donee in my employment contract). While joining the Labor Union is not WTBS prohibited per se, in some areas it is frowned upon. A JW might be similar frowned at for donating to UW, unless, of course, the money could be funnelled straight to WTBS, and 2) At my other job, there is quite a bit of pressure to "fill in those UW forms" with our deductions. To be allow R&F JWs to donate to their cult and still look magnanimous in the eyes of their colleagues directly benefits the coffers of WTBS. There was nothing in UW's statement of goals that would seem to preclude a JW from contibuting TO WBTS via UW in this way, since their cash can be designated. UW is, on one level, an organization to disperse donations to non-profits. If it were to exclude WBTS on grounds that it really does no "real" charitable work, it would run up against allegations of religious discrimination and the charge to eliminate support of Catholic Charities, or Jewish Community Resources, etc. The plus side is that if a person forgets to file her annual designation form, the donation is dispersed amongst ALL the charities, including those that help the "heathens." Shoshana